[YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

['Rhonda Selby' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi folks,



I'm totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone
wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and
will need to learn how to access its features without any vision. Does
anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know
which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus
independently, if possible, and I'm looking for any tips anyone might have
to help me out.



Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for
years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I've
done is save custom performance patches to my synth.



Rhonda

[Daniel Forró [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi, Rhonda,

I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.

I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.

Maybe you can try software called DX Manager. It’s on this web page:

http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx <http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx>

and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.

It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.

DXM5 should work with your DX7S.

I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.

Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.

Good luck!

Daniel Forro

Post by 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
Hi folks,
I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision. Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___

['Rhonda Selby' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi, Daniel,

I have DX Manager and now need to figure out a way around it not being able to initialize. It is instructing me to check a couple of things on my DX's screen that I of course can't do. It wants me to check and make sure memory protect is turned off. It knows my device is an original DX, but I can't get any further, and my cables are connected correctly.

Yes, I have speech software on my laptop, so it is just a matter of finding compatible software for me and the keyboard to be able to work together. :-) I'm running Windows 10.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Rhonda


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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



Hi, Rhonda,

I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.

I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.

Maybe you can try software called DX Manager. It’s on this web page:

http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx

and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.

It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.

DXM5 should work with your DX7S.

I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.

Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.

Good luck!

Daniel Forro




On Apr 19, 2018, at 0:26, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision. Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___
________________________________

Posted by: "Rhonda Selby" <***@gmail.com> ________________________________

['Nicole Massey' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Yeah, I figured this would be a good place for you to find out some of what you're looking for. I seem to remember the memory protect is a menu setting, not a physical switch, but I don't know if it's something you can send a sysex string to that'll change it. Others here may be able to help more, as some of the folks on this mailing list seem to speak Yamaha Sysex as a primary language.

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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



Hi, Daniel,

I have DX Manager and now need to figure out a way around it not being able to initialize. It is instructing me to check a couple of things on my DX's screen that I of course can't do. It wants me to check and make sure memory protect is turned off. It knows my device is an original DX, but I can't get any further, and my cables are connected correctly.

Yes, I have speech software on my laptop, so it is just a matter of finding compatible software for me and the keyboard to be able to work together. :-) I'm running Windows 10.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Rhonda

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:26 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

Hi, Rhonda,

I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.

I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.

Maybe you can try software called DX Manager. It’s on this web page:

http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx

and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.

It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.

DXM5 should work with your DX7S.

I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.

Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.

Good luck!

Daniel Forro

On Apr 19, 2018, at 0:26, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision.. Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___
________________________________

Posted by: "Rhonda Selby" <***@gmail.com> ________________________________

[Jacob Vosmaer [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

I suspect you probably can't disable memory protect via sysex. My
understanding is that the idea at the time was that you could have multiple
DX7's / TX7's etc. on the same MIDI channel to play stacked sounds. By
having memory protect on by default, you could blast sysex data to your
MIDI thru chain and it would be ignored by all devices except the one where
you disabled memory protect. If that was indeed the intended use then
disabling write-protect via sysex would cause chaos.

Something different: Rhonda, I think there is some confusion about what
model DX7 you have: mark 1 or the "S" version of mark 2. Mark 1 has buttons
that feel like little bumps under a smooth membrane. Mark 2 has buttons
with caps, and wiggle room between the button caps.

Post by 'Nicole Massey' ***@gypsyheir.com [YamahaDX]
Yeah, I figured this would be a good place for you to find out some of
what you're looking for. I seem to remember the memory protect is a menu
setting, not a physical switch, but I don't know if it's something you can
send a sysex string to that'll change it. Others here may be able to help
more, as some of the folks on this mailing list seem to speak Yamaha Sysex
as a primary language.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
Hi, Daniel,
I have DX Manager and now need to figure out a way around it not being
able to initialize. It is instructing me to check a couple of things on my
DX's screen that I of course can't do. It wants me to check and make sure
memory protect is turned off. It knows my device is an original DX, but I
can't get any further, and my cables are connected correctly.
Yes, I have speech software on my laptop, so it is just a matter of
finding compatible software for me and the keyboard to be able to work
together. :-) I'm running Windows 10.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
Hi, Rhonda,
I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.
I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.
http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx
and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.
It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.
DXM5 should work with your DX7S.
I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.
Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.
Good luck!
Daniel Forro
Hi folks,
I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from
someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned
one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision...
Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to
know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus
independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have
to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for
years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve
done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___
________________________________
________________________________

['Rhonda Selby' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Ah, I have the Mark 1 then.


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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:11 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



I suspect you probably can't disable memory protect via sysex. My understanding is that the idea at the time was that you could have multiple DX7's / TX7's etc. on the same MIDI channel to play stacked sounds. By having memory protect on by default, you could blast sysex data to your MIDI thru chain and it would be ignored by all devices except the one where you disabled memory protect. If that was indeed the intended use then disabling write-protect via sysex would cause chaos.

Something different: Rhonda, I think there is some confusion about what model DX7 you have: mark 1 or the "S" version of mark 2. Mark 1 has buttons that feel like little bumps under a smooth membrane.. Mark 2 has buttons with caps, and wiggle room between the button caps.

2018-04-18 19:54 GMT+02:00 'Nicole Massey' ***@gypsyheir.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups..com <mailto:***@yahoogroups.com> >:





Yeah, I figured this would be a good place for you to find out some of what you're looking for. I seem to remember the memory protect is a menu setting, not a physical switch, but I don't know if it's something you can send a sysex string to that'll change it. Others here may be able to help more, as some of the folks on this mailing list seem to speak Yamaha Sysex as a primary language.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:33 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

Hi, Daniel,

I have DX Manager and now need to figure out a way around it not being able to initialize. It is instructing me to check a couple of things on my DX's screen that I of course can't do. It wants me to check and make sure memory protect is turned off. It knows my device is an original DX, but I can't get any further, and my cables are connected correctly.

Yes, I have speech software on my laptop, so it is just a matter of finding compatible software for me and the keyboard to be able to work together. :-) I'm running Windows 10.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Rhonda

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:26 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

Hi, Rhonda,

I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.

I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.

Maybe you can try software called DX Manager. It’s on this web page:

http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx <http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx>

and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.

It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.

DXM5 should work with your DX7S.

I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.

Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.

Good luck!

Daniel Forro

On Apr 19, 2018, at 0:26, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi folks,


I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision... Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___
________________________________

Posted by: "Rhonda Selby" <***@gmail.com> ________________________________

['Rhonda Selby' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Ah, I thought maybe you were here, Nicole. I'm getting a feeling that I may need sighted assistance to get started, but guess we'll see if anyone has answers. The memory protect is in the menus, and I don't think I'll be able to change that except through the keyboard.


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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



Yeah, I figured this would be a good place for you to find out some of what you're looking for. I seem to remember the memory protect is a menu setting, not a physical switch, but I don't know if it's something you can send a sysex string to that'll change it. Others here may be able to help more, as some of the folks on this mailing list seem to speak Yamaha Sysex as a primary language.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:33 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

Hi, Daniel,

I have DX Manager and now need to figure out a way around it not being able to initialize. It is instructing me to check a couple of things on my DX's screen that I of course can't do. It wants me to check and make sure memory protect is turned off. It knows my device is an original DX, but I can't get any further, and my cables are connected correctly.

Yes, I have speech software on my laptop, so it is just a matter of finding compatible software for me and the keyboard to be able to work together. :-) I'm running Windows 10.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Rhonda

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:26 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

Hi, Rhonda,

I have taught few years one blind boy so there’s some small experience.

I suppose you have some software which can read for you what’s on the computer screen.

Maybe you can try software called DX Manager. It’s on this web page:

http://www.fm-alive.com/pages/DXM.aspx

and you can download full version for 30 days free trial, and later buy it for 20 USD.

It is for Windows Vista to 10, there’s also a version for XP SP3.

DXM5 should work with your DX7S.

I don’t have it, as I’m on Mac, so I can’t tell you more.

Maybe some other members will have more ideas which software could be usable for you.

Good luck!

Daniel Forro

On Apr 19, 2018, at 0:26, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

I’m totally blind and recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have never owned one and will need to learn how to access its features without any vision.. Does anyone here who is also blind have experience with this? I need to know which software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips anyone might have to help me out.
Be patient, please, I have a lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve done is save custom performance patches to my synth.
Rhonda
_,___
________________________________

Posted by: "Rhonda Selby" <***@gmail.com> ________________________________

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi Rhonda,

I tried to try DX Manager, but I installed it before my TX7 arrived in the post (the module version of the DX7) and got confused about how long I had to try it, because it showed the number of days remaining wrong on my PC - something to do with font sizes, apparently - it left off one digit.

The guy who wrote it was quite good about responding to emails, so he might be able to help you with activation.

In my case, I didn't really get time to try it out before the trial period expired, due to the display bug, and installing it too soon, so I looked for alternatives. I found JSynthLib, which is totally free, and is written in Java, which means it can be installed on anything that can run Java.

The page to download it is here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/jsynthlib/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/jsynthlib/

It took me a bit of time to work out how to use it, but it's quite simple once you know how :)

It supports a lot of other Yamaha FM synths too, not just the DX7.

Editing FM synths is quite visual. I guess you can work from just the numbers, if your screen reader software is clear enough about which is which.

As a first synth, I'd suggest something with knobs, and a keyboard attached - so the knobs are always the same distance away. I'm leaning towards not having presets at all, on analog synths, at the moment, that way the position of the knobs always means something.

The Korg ARP Odyssey would probably be a good choice for a blind person. Most of the controls are sliders and physical switches, so you might get a better idea of where they're set, from feeling them.

The original Arturia Minibrute or Microbrute could work too - they have a mixture of knobs and sliders, but maybe you could feel the position of knobs... I guess you could always get some "chicken head" ones to fit it, if they're not clear enough. There are no presets, and very little about them that isn't determined by where the controls are set, at any given time.

Analog synths are quite intuitive, once you get used to them, so you might not need to always know where a knob is positioned - you'll soon get to know when you want more of something, or less.

Getting back to the DX7; it is possible to program it just using the front panel, but you would need some way of knowing what it said. I wonder if there's software to show the contents of the display on a PC screen? It can be done with the TX81Z, I think. That might let it be used with your screen reader software. Maybe someone here knows of software that can do that?

Regards,

Andy

[Barry Carson [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

I remember seeing a contraption in Keyboard Magazine back when the first
DX7 was popular - it had a rotary knob or on/off switch for every single
parameter - connected to the DX via midi - needless to say it was pretty
big. I think it might have been made in Germany but not sure. Probably
pretty hard to find these days...

Post by ***@ntlworld.com [YamahaDX]
Hi Rhonda,
I tried to try DX Manager, but I installed it before my TX7 arrived in the
post (the module version of the DX7) and got confused about how long I had
to try it, because it showed the number of days remaining wrong on my PC -
something to do with font sizes, apparently - it left off one digit.
The guy who wrote it was quite good about responding to emails, so he
might be able to help you with activation.
In my case, I didn't really get time to try it out before the trial period
expired, due to the display bug, and installing it too soon, so I looked
for alternatives. I found JSynthLib, which is totally free, and is written
in Java, which means it can be installed on anything that can run Java.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jsynthlib/
It took me a bit of time to work out how to use it, but it's quite simple
once you know how :)
It supports a lot of other Yamaha FM synths too, not just the DX7.
Editing FM synths is quite visual. I guess you can work from just the
numbers, if your screen reader software is clear enough about which is
which.
As a first synth, I'd suggest something with knobs, and a keyboard
attached - so the knobs are always the same distance away. I'm leaning
towards not having presets at all, on analog synths, at the moment, that
way the position of the knobs always means something.
The Korg ARP Odyssey would probably be a good choice for a blind person.
Most of the controls are sliders and physical switches, so you might get a
better idea of where they're set, from feeling them.
The original Arturia Minibrute or Microbrute could work too - they have a
mixture of knobs and sliders, but maybe you could feel the position of
knobs... I guess you could always get some "chicken head" ones to fit it,
if they're not clear enough. There are no presets, and very little about
them that isn't determined by where the controls are set, at any given time.
Analog synths are quite intuitive, once you get used to them, so you might
not need to always know where a knob is positioned - you'll soon get to
know when you want more of something, or less.
Getting back to the DX7; it is possible to program it just using the front
panel, but you would need some way of knowing what it said. I wonder if
there's software to show the contents of the display on a PC screen? It
can be done with the TX81Z, I think. That might let it be used with your
screen reader software. Maybe someone here knows of software that can do
that?
Regards,
Andy

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

That might be the Jellinghaus. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Pretty sure they are rare and expensive. HOWEVER, there is a new one coming out maybe. The DTronics DT7.

http://www.dtronics.nl/pages/dt7.html http://www.dtronics.nl/pages/dt7.html

I think on facebook I saw that he was finally doing it. Anyway, an FM synth has got to be one of the hardest places to start for programming, but if you just want to play cool sounds then it would be fine.

[Bruce Wahler [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Agreed, and I'm not sure that a programmer like the DT7 is going to make
that much difference.  By my count, the box has 153 knobs, mostly
arranged in an equally-spaced 20 x 7 matrix.  At least the DT200 and
DT300 programmers are arranged more in line with the audio flow of their
respective synths, reminiscent of the control panel of a Minimoog or ARP
Odyssey.  The DT7 has more in common with an audio mixer than most synth
programmers I've used -- hardware or software based.  I wouldn't
recommend that box to anyone but a fully sighted DX7 owner with years of
experience programming FM synths!

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Ashby Solutions.com™
***@ashbysolutions.com
http://music.ashbysolutions.com
http://halfmoon-switch.com
http://ashboys.com
978.597.7008

That might be the Jellinghaus.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 
Pretty sure they are rare and expensive. HOWEVER, there is a new one
coming out maybe.  The DTronics DT7.
http://www.dtronics.nl/pages/dt7.html
I think on facebook I saw that he was finally doing it. Anyway, an FM
synth has got to be one of the hardest places to start for
programming, but if you just want to play cool sounds then it would be
fine.

['Nicole Massey' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Yeah, that was the Jellinghaus knob controller for the DX7. I think someone here said something about running into one in the last couple of years.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:56 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



I remember seeing a contraption in Keyboard Magazine back when the first DX7 was popular - it had a rotary knob or on/off switch for every single parameter - connected to the DX via midi - needless to say it was pretty big. I think it might have been made in Germany but not sure. Probably pretty hard to find these days...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, ***@ntlworld.com <mailto:***@ntlworld.com> [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com <mailto:***@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:





Hi Rhonda,

I tried to try DX Manager, but I installed it before my TX7 arrived in the post (the module version of the DX7) and got confused about how long I had to try it, because it showed the number of days remaining wrong on my PC - something to do with font sizes, apparently - it left off one digit.

The guy who wrote it was quite good about responding to emails, so he might be able to help you with activation.

In my case, I didn't really get time to try it out before the trial period expired, due to the display bug, and installing it too soon, so I looked for alternatives. I found JSynthLib, which is totally free, and is written in Java, which means it can be installed on anything that can run Java.

The page to download it is here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/jsynthlib/ <https://sourceforge.net/projects/jsynthlib/>

It took me a bit of time to work out how to use it, but it's quite simple once you know how :)

It supports a lot of other Yamaha FM synths too, not just the DX7.

Editing FM synths is quite visual. I guess you can work from just the numbers, if your screen reader software is clear enough about which is which.

As a first synth, I'd suggest something with knobs, and a keyboard attached - so the knobs are always the same distance away. I'm leaning towards not having presets at all, on analog synths, at the moment, that way the position of the knobs always means something.

The Korg ARP Odyssey would probably be a good choice for a blind person. Most of the controls are sliders and physical switches, so you might get a better idea of where they're set, from feeling them.

The original Arturia Minibrute or Microbrute could work too - they have a mixture of knobs and sliders, but maybe you could feel the position of knobs... I guess you could always get some "chicken head" ones to fit it, if they're not clear enough. There are no presets, and very little about them that isn't determined by where the controls are set, at any given time.

Analog synths are quite intuitive, once you get used to them, so you might not need to always know where a knob is positioned - you'll soon get to know when you want more of something, or less.

Getting back to the DX7; it is possible to program it just using the front panel, but you would need some way of knowing what it said.. I wonder if there's software to show the contents of the display on a PC screen? It can be done with the TX81Z, I think. That might let it be used with your screen reader software. Maybe someone here knows of software that can do that?

Regards,

Andy

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Does the DX7S support remote control of the panel buttons over MIDI? I seem to recall that many of the DX7 family did, although it's not a well-documented feature. In any event, if it's like the original DX7, one will have to navigate the menus at least once to turn on the MIDI System Exclusive probably.

It kind of makes one wonder if this is the best type of instrument for someone in this situation. I don't own a DX7S, but at least it has tactile buttons rather than a membrane (as far as I can remember anyway).

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

I think she may have meant the original DX7, not a DX7S.
Don B.

From: ***@jps.net [YamahaDX]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:34 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User


Does the DX7S support remote control of the panel buttons over MIDI? I seem to recall that many of the DX7 family did, although it's not a well-documented feature. In any event, if it's like the original DX7, one will have to navigate the menus at least once to turn on the MIDI System Exclusive probably.

It kind of makes one wonder if this is the best type of instrument for someone in this situation. I don't own a DX7S, but at least it has tactile buttons rather than a membrane (as far as I can remember anyway).

['Rhonda Selby' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

The majority of today's keyboards are not accessible to blind folks without some challenges, not to mention the older ones. In fact, analog is often more user friendly, but if we want to roll with the changes, gotta find ways to deal with what's out there.

Often we can make Braille cheat sheets of the button layout if the panel is tactile and do a lot of memorization of menus. Some of them can also be labeled if they aren't tactile. I'm pretty good at it if I can get through the initial how tos. This board has the membrane, but I can tell where the buttons are and will be labeling them with dots, then creating a cheat sheet of what the order of the buttons is.


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:34 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



Does the DX7S support remote control of the panel buttons over MIDI? I seem to recall that many of the DX7 family did, although it's not a well-documented feature. In any event, if it's like the original DX7, one will have to navigate the menus at least once to turn on the MIDI System Exclusive probably...

It kind of makes one wonder if this is the best type of instrument for someone in this situation. I don't own a DX7S, but at least it has tactile buttons rather than a membrane (as far as I can remember anyway).

[Tracy Barber [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi -

I have worked with blind people on computers, using Word Processing as an instructor. Not easy, but doable.

I would suggest you get a friend to help you with a braille sticker system on the left side of the panel. The plus minus keys, the top row for turning on / off protection - there's 4 buttons. Same with the bottom. That is where the internal and cartridge patches get selected, etc.

The right side of the keyboard are the patch / function numbers. You may get used to them quicker if you put stickers above a few buttons to guide you.

Seriously. Remember the plastic tape gun that made stickers? It had a roll of tape with backing on it. I don't know if there's anything for braille, but you could come up with a scheme with a sighted friend within an hour - tops. Like one through four for the top, five - eight for the bottom and then have someone explain where these are and you could find them every time. The plus minus buttons to the far left could be simple arrows left and right. The right side could be marked every four or so to make up for the 32 buttons. One and 16, 17 and 32 would be important.

I write this because there is plenty of room above and below the buttons for this project to work. You would just have an audio of the button functions for playback on your PC.

This would not ruin your keyboard and it is not silly to do. It is not a childish thing. The DX7 is a small bear to work with. Until you learn it, it would work.

Happy to help, but I am probably 3000 miles away.

Tracy





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On Wed, 4/18/18, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 11:26 AM


 









Hi folks,  I’m totally blind and
recently rescued one of the original DX7s from someone
wanting to offload it. I have played on these, but have
never owned one and will need to learn how to access its
features without any vision. Does anyone here who is also
blind have experience with this? I need to know  which
software I need in order to be able to navigate its menus
independently, if possible, and I’m looking for any tips
anyone might have to help me out.  Be patient, please, I have a
lot to learn, having played keyboards for years, but never
programmed any or linked them to a laptop. The most I’ve
done is save custom performance patches to my synth.  Rhonda    









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[Tracy Barber [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Bingo!

Tracy


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On Wed, 4/18/18, 'Rhonda Selby' ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 2:00 PM


 









The majority of today's keyboards are not
accessible to blind folks without some challenges, not to
mention the older ones. In fact, analog is often more user
friendly, but if we want to roll with the changes, gotta
find ways to deal with what's out there.



Often we can make Braille cheat sheets of the button layout
if the panel is tactile and do a lot of memorization of
menus. Some of them can also be labeled if they aren't
tactile. I'm pretty good at it if I can get through the
initial how tos. This board has the membrane, but I can tell
where the buttons are and will be labeling them with dots,
then creating a cheat sheet of what the order of the buttons
is.



-----Original Message-----

From: ***@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:***@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:34 PM

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] New to the Group, Blind DX7 User



Does the DX7S support remote control of the panel buttons
over MIDI? I seem to recall that many of the DX7 family did,
although it's not a well-documented feature. In any
event, if it's like the original DX7, one will have to
navigate the menus at least once to turn on the MIDI System
Exclusive probably..



It kind of makes one wonder if this is the best type of
instrument for someone in this situation. I don't own a
DX7S, but at least it has tactile buttons rather than a
membrane (as far as I can remember anyway).













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[Matt Gruett [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Just wanted to point out that Ken Medema is blind and used two DX7 IIs for decades. He used to tour with one sitting on the grand piano and a second on a stand to the right of the piano facing the audience. Not sure if he used any bumps on top of the buttons but I don’t think he did. When playing live he would just reach up and find the begging of the row of the 16 buttons and run his finger down going right and then stop and press it to load a new sound. It was amazingly fast. Not sure if he counted buttons (or gaps between the buttons) that fast or if he just sort of knew the distance to travel relative to the first button (#1) but it is incredible. I once saw him with some people who didn’t know who he was or that he was blind and it wasn’t until he started making references to being blind in between songs that they realized it.

Welcome to the group, Rhonda. I think you’ve picked a great keyboard for yourself.

-Matt-

[Tracy Barber [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Methinks that if our new DX7 player gets time on the board, she will no doubt cut corners and learn the machine "somewhat" because not too many people are all around DX pros - players maybe - but the entire machine - that's another matter.

We can offer suggestions, of many she already knows and give - like you did - support and encouragement. I cannot understand what it would be like to be blind. I came close with both eyes and detached retinas. Several operations later and I can see fairly well. I was lucky. My other issues led me away from playing synths for many years. I'm barely back and it's like being blind - sort of. I'm in the process of re-learning what sight reading I learned many years ago. That, and learning to play with a left hand that just recovered from 4 fractures. 1 finger is still crooked. I do, however, feel that this will be enjoyment as well as great therapy for my hand..

Keep the faith...

Tracy

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On Sun, 4/22/18, Matt Gruett ***@yahoo.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [YamahaDX] Re: New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 22, 2018, 7:30 PM


 









Just wanted to point out that Ken Medema is blind
and used two DX7 IIs for decades. He used to tour with one
sitting on the grand piano and a second on a stand to the
right of the piano facing the audience. Not sure if he used
any bumps on top of the buttons but I don’t think he did.
When playing live he would just reach up and find the
begging of the row of the 16 buttons and run his finger down
going right and then stop and press it to load a new sound.
It was amazingly fast. Not sure if he counted buttons (or
gaps between the buttons) that fast or if he just sort of
knew the distance to travel relative to the first button
(#1) but it is incredible. I once saw him with some people
who didn’t know who he was or that he was blind and it
wasn’t until he started making references to being blind
in between songs that they realized it.



Welcome to the group, Rhonda. I think you’ve picked a
great keyboard for yourself.



-Matt-













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[msc1958 [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Tracey,

That is the attitude that inspires me to want to practice even more. Thanks for sharing and God Bless You on your musical journey. I wish you enriched enjoyment and success!

Regards,

🎞 Mark 🎶

<*)))>{ "Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands." Psalms 100:1

Sent from my iPad

Post by Tracy Barber ***@yahoo.com [YamahaDX]
Methinks that if our new DX7 player gets time on the board, she will no doubt cut corners and learn the machine "somewhat" because not too many people are all around DX pros - players maybe - but the entire machine - that's another matter.
We can offer suggestions, of many she already knows and give - like you did - support and encouragement. I cannot understand what it would be like to be blind. I came close with both eyes and detached retinas. Several operations later and I can see fairly well. I was lucky. My other issues led me away from playing synths for many years. I'm barely back and it's like being blind - sort of. I'm in the process of re-learning what sight reading I learned many years ago. That, and learning to play with a left hand that just recovered from 4 fractures. 1 finger is still crooked.. I do, however, feel that this will be enjoyment as well as great therapy for my hand.
Keep the faith...
Tracy
--------------------------------------------
Subject: [YamahaDX] Re: New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
Date: Sunday, April 22, 2018, 7:30 PM
Just wanted to point out that Ken Medema is blind
and used two DX7 IIs for decades. He used to tour with one
sitting on the grand piano and a second on a stand to the
right of the piano facing the audience. Not sure if he used
any bumps on top of the buttons but I don’t think he did.
When playing live he would just reach up and find the
begging of the row of the 16 buttons and run his finger down
going right and then stop and press it to load a new sound.
It was amazingly fast. Not sure if he counted buttons (or
gaps between the buttons) that fast or if he just sort of
knew the distance to travel relative to the first button
(#1) but it is incredible. I once saw him with some people
who didn’t know who he was or that he was blind and it
wasn’t until he started making references to being blind
in between songs that they realized it.
Welcome to the group, Rhonda. I think you’ve picked a
great keyboard for yourself.
-Matt-
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[Tracy Barber [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Thanks - we all need some encouragement sometimes... !

Tracy

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/26/18, msc1958 ***@yahoo.com [YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Re: New to the Group, Blind DX7 User
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018, 11:57 AM


 









Tracey,
That is the attitude
that inspires me to want to practice even more. Thanks for
sharing and God Bless You on your musical journey. I wish
you enriched enjoyment and success!

Regards,
🎞 Mark 🎶
<*)))>{  "Make a joyful
noise unto the LORD, all ye lands." Psalms
100:1
Sent from my
iPad
On Apr 26,
2018, at 2:38 AM, Tracy Barber ***@yahoo.com
[YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 








Methinks that if our new DX7 player gets time on the board,
she will no doubt cut corners and learn the machine
"somewhat" because not too many people are all
around DX pros - players maybe - but the entire machine -
that's another matter.



We can offer suggestions, of many she already knows and give
- like you did - support and encouragement. I cannot
understand what it would be like to be blind. I came close
with both eyes and detached retinas. Several operations
later and I can see fairly well. I was lucky. My other
issues led me away from playing synths for many years.
I'm barely back and it's like being blind - sort of.
I'm in the process of re-learning what sight reading I
learned many years ago. That, and learning to play with a
left hand that just recovered from 4 fractures. 1 finger is
still crooked.. I do, however, feel that this will be
enjoyment as well as great therapy for my hand.



Keep the faith...



Tracy



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 4/22/18, Matt Gruett ***@yahoo.com
[YamahaDX] <***@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [YamahaDX] Re: New to the Group, Blind DX7 User

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, April 22, 2018, 7:30 PM





 



















Just wanted to point out that Ken Medema is blind

and used two DX7 IIs for decades. He used to tour with
one

sitting on the grand piano and a second on a stand to
the

right of the piano facing the audience. Not sure if he
used

any bumps on top of the buttons but I don’t think he did.


When playing live he would just reach up and find the

begging of the row of the 16 buttons and run his finger
down

going right and then stop and press it to load a new sound.


It was amazingly fast. Not sure if he counted buttons
(or

gaps between the buttons) that fast or if he just sort
of

knew the distance to travel relative to the first button

(#1) but it is incredible. I once saw him with some
people

who didn’t know who he was or that he was blind and it

wasn’t until he started making references to being
blind

in between songs that they realized it.







Welcome to the group, Rhonda. I think you’ve picked a

great keyboard for yourself.







-Matt-



























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