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TX81Z problem
ALEX
2009-04-14 11:32:20 UTC
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Hi all

I need help!! Someone gave me a TX81Z but on all patches three is a High pitched sound frequency which change with pitch note. All sounds become noisy. I listened to some demo on the web , and the presets sound pretty cool, and there is no high frequency on it!

I tried to identify the high frequency , and it may come from the Operator number 1 , but I'm not very sure?

Is the TX81Z easily service able?

Thanks to all

Alex
narfman96
2009-04-14 12:41:46 UTC
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Hi Alex,
First try to reset the TX81Z to see if the battery may be weak and all the patches have glitched. Press both the Volume buttons and the Cursor button and turn on the TX81Z. Then press Inc to start the test utility. This will load the default patches. You can step through the tests to hear the output test or you start the output test by turning the unit on with just the Volume buttons held down. The test will output a clean sine wave at 440hz. If it has the high pitched noise see below....

There are low pass filters that block the high frequency glitch noise generated by the DAC circuitry. These are stereo so the noise will be only in the left or right side. The DAC can have a dropped bit which will generated a loud distortion on all sounds. This can be as simple as a cold solder joint or the DAC and even the OPZ chip can fail. I have the Service Manual and I believe there is a copy in the files section of the YamahaBlackBox group. I can help you isolate this if you have the means to troubleshoot the circuitry.
Fran
Post by ALEX
Hi all
I need help!! Someone gave me a TX81Z but on all patches three is a High pitched sound frequency which change with pitch note. All sounds become noisy. I listened to some demo on the web , and the presets sound pretty cool, and there is no high frequency on it!
I tried to identify the high frequency , and it may come from the Operator number 1 , but I'm not very sure?
Is the TX81Z easily service able?
Thanks to all
Alex
Alan Probandt
2009-04-14 18:01:51 UTC
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Hello,   or Bonjour, 

Your e-mail address has the extension .fr, which I believe means France.  Are you in France? Est-il plus confortable à correspondre à vous en français ? J'emploie www.systranet.com pour des traductions d'email.

 Before discussing the TX81Z, tell us about yourself.  Do you know electronics? Do you know MIDI or musical instrument digital electronics?  Do you have tools like a soldering iron, a voltmeter, or an oscilloscope available?  If this is a hardware problem, how much money would you be willing to pay to fix it?

 Working TX81-Zs go for $60 US on eBay (USA) with about a $15-$20 shipping fee to send a TX81Z each way across the USA.  Don't pay some shop $50 just to look at the TX81Z, because it will be cheaper to buy and ship a working one from eBay.  Your broken TX81Z will sell on eBay for about half the price of a good one.  If you do take the TX81Z to a shop, download and print out the schematic from the file section on this web site.  Include it with the TX81Z when you bring it in to them.   They charge by the hour, and it is a lot faster and cheaper to fix old electronics when you have a schematic of the unit.  Be aware that the microprocessor (a 63B03, a semi-custom clone of the Motorola 6803) and the sound ICs are nearly impossible to obtain if they are the parts that are broken.

  Electronically the TX81Z is a 1980s microprocessor-based device that gets user input from front panel buttons and a serial port (the MIDI interface).  The CPU reads the serial port and buttons to get selected blocks of data from ROM chips.  This data is loaded into a custom digital sound generator IC.  This IC gets data from the CPU bus and outputs two pulse streams to a serial Digital-To-Analog (DAC) IC.  The DAC outputs are stereo audio output waveforms that go to the amplifiers.

 The good news is that this is not likely to be a hardware problem.  Disconnect the headphones or audio put cables and power up the TX unit.  High pitched sound still coming from the unit? Probably something in the power supply. 

  All the sound-generating parameters of the TX81Z are accessible through the front panel buttons.  Find the LCD display screen for the output levels of the four operators.  Start with operator four and reduce the output level of each operator to zero.  Does the high pitch sound go away?

  There are eight 'algorythms' on the TX81Z.  These are the ways that the operators can be arranged to make  sounds.  On algorythms one through four, operator  one is the main sound generator. Does the high pitch sound change when selecting different algorythms? (they can be changed by the front panel).

 The test here is to find whether the high-pitch sound is made by the settings of  the sound generating ICs, or if it comes from the analog circuitry that is after the sound generators.  After the DAC chip, there are audio op-amps.  Maybe they are oscillating because of worn out capacitors.

  Can you record about about 15 seconds of several TX voices with this high-pitched audio (using an audio capture program), compress this recording into a SMALL MP3 or OGG file, and post it for download somewhere?  You may want to ask the moderator of this site before posting a file like this into the files section here.

  Please keep us updated.   We might be able to help you fix this.

-Alan Probandt     Portland, Oregon USA  (1000 kilometers north of San Francisco)
 

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