[YamahaDX] S/H synth patch from dx27/100/etc. HELP!!!

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I'm looking for a sysex file of the Yamaha dx27/dx100/dx11/etc preset called "s/h synth".




It sounds like this:

I have downloaded various online "original preset banks" for the dx100/27/etc and found one patch called s_h synth BUT it is NOT the same patch (at least when played with FM8. The original is harsh - kind of like the preset "heavysynth"- but the one in the banks floating around is just a soft sine wave bank. It might be because it's a slightly different name "s_h synth" instead of "s/h synth". I know the dx27/100 have the EXACT patch I'm looking for so a factory reset and patch dump from one of those would do the trick (I hope).


I just bought a tx81z specially so I could play this patch and much to my chagrin it doesn't HAVE that preset.



Can someone please export an original favorite preset patch bank (or even just the "s/h synth" patch) from their dx100/27/whatever in sysex and post or send me a link . Hell, feel free to email me direct (legionhwp at g-mail) . I'd be happy to send you hundreds of other 4op or dx200 patches in trade ;)


Any/all help appreciated. I know it seems silly to buy a legacy instrument to do one sound but, well, it's a pretty unique and cool sound and I boldly used it on my 1992 album and want to play that track live.




Thanks!!!

[John McIntyre [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
Any/all help appreciated. I know it seems silly to buy a legacy
instrument to do one sound but, well, it's a pretty unique and cool
sound and I boldly used it on my 1992 album and want to play that
track live.

Let that be a warning to you.

If you have a sound you really like, don't unload the instrument you
made it on. Or at least make sure you understand the programming behind
the original patch.

I feel your pain, but the situation does have a certain amusement value. (-8

John McIntyre
***@pa.msu.edu

['[e-mail]' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

[John McIntyre [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Slight language confusion. In my original response "unloading" meant
"selling", "getting rid of." If you like the sound that much, keep the
machine.

There is a story (which may be true) about a musician who when he found
a sound he liked on a Minimoog, he would glue the pots in place and buy
another Minimoog.

The S/H synth is a factory patch in the D100/21/27 ROM banks. No
unloading possible. My advice: make sysex dumps before you sell a
synth, or before it dies.
MT
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Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
Any/all help appreciated. I know it seems silly to buy a legacy
instrument to do one sound but, well, it's a pretty unique and
cool sound and I boldly used it on my 1992 album and want to play
that track live.

Let that be a warning to you.
If you have a sound you really like, don't unload the instrument
you made it on. Or at least make sure you understand the
programming behind the original patch.
I feel your pain, but the situation does have a certain amusement value. (-8
John McIntyre

[Grant B [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

FWIW that sound is easily achievable on any analog synth that can apply
Sample&Hold (random) value to the filter cutoff. I'm not sure how the
term S&H became the defacto term for this, but there you have it.

Post by John McIntyre ***@pa.msu.edu [YamahaDX]
Slight language confusion. In my original response "unloading" meant
"selling", "getting rid of." If you like the sound that much, keep the
machine.
There is a story (which may be true) about a musician who when he found
a sound he liked on a Minimoog, he would glue the pots in place and buy
another Minimoog.

The S/H synth is a factory patch in the D100/21/27 ROM banks. No
unloading possible. My advice: make sysex dumps before you sell a
synth, or before it dies.
MT
Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon
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Onderwerp: Re: [YamahaDX] S/H synth patch from dx27/100/etc. HELP!!!

Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
Any/all help appreciated. I know it seems silly to buy a legacy
instrument to do one sound but, well, it's a pretty unique and
cool sound and I boldly used it on my 1992 album and want to play
that track live.

Let that be a warning to you.
If you have a sound you really like, don't unload the instrument
you made it on. Or at least make sure you understand the
programming behind the original patch.
I feel your pain, but the situation does have a certain amusement value. (-8
John McIntyre

['Nicole Massey' [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

The circuit takes a sample of a random value, then holds it for a specific duration so it can have enough time to create a sound. Otherwise it'd sound like bird chirps, which are sweeps of sounds across a range.

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FWIW that sound is easily achievable on any analog synth that can apply Sample&Hold (random) value to the filter cutoff. I'm not sure how the term S&H became the defacto term for this, but there you have it.

Slight language confusion. In my original response "unloading" meant
"selling", "getting rid of." If you like the sound that much, keep the
machine.
There is a story (which may be true) about a musician who when he
found a sound he liked on a Minimoog, he would glue the pots in place
and buy another Minimoog.

The S/H synth is a factory patch in the D100/21/27 ROM banks. No
unloading possible. My advice: make sysex dumps before you sell a
synth, or before it dies.
MT
Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon
-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
Onderwerp: Re: [YamahaDX] S/H synth patch from dx27/100/etc. HELP!!!

Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
Any/all help appreciated. I know it seems silly to buy a legacy
instrument to do one sound but, well, it's a pretty unique and cool
sound and I boldly used it on my 1992 album and want to play that
track live.

Let that be a warning to you.
If you have a sound you really like, don't unload the instrument you
made it on. Or at least make sure you understand the programming
behind the original patch.
I feel your pain, but the situation does have a certain amusement value. (-8
John McIntyre

[Martin Tarenskeen [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Slight language confusion.  In my original response "unloading" meant
"selling", "getting rid of."  If you like the sound that much, keep the
machine.
There is a story (which may be true) about a musician who when he found a
sound he liked on a Minimoog, he would glue the pots in place and buy
another Minimoog.

LOL :-)

[Bruce Wahler [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

It wasn't Viv Savage (Spinal Tap), but it probably *should* have been
... ;-)

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Ashby Solutions.com™
***@ashbysolutions.com
http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.597.7008

Post by John McIntyre ***@pa.msu.edu [YamahaDX]
Slight language confusion. In my original response "unloading" meant
"selling", "getting rid of." If you like the sound that much, keep the
machine.
There is a story (which may be true) about a musician who when he

found a

Post by John McIntyre ***@pa.msu.edu [YamahaDX]
sound he liked on a Minimoog, he would glue the pots in place and buy
another Minimoog.

LOL :-)

[Martin Tarenskeen [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
I'm looking for a sysex file of the Yamaha dx27/dx100/dx11/etc preset called
"s/h synth". 

Hi,

Try this one. It should be the "S/H Synth" from the DX100.
I can send yoy the complete set of 8 x 24 DX100 factory presets as sysex
if you need them.

MT

[Martin Tarenskeen [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Post by ***@gmail.com [YamahaDX]
I'm looking for a sysex file of the Yamaha dx27/dx100/dx11/etc preset called
"s/h synth". 

...

and here I have attached the same patch, converted to DX7 format using
DXconvert. Maybe DXconvert does the conversion better than FM8. Maybe FM8
can read DX7 patches better than DX100 patches, I don't know. Just try.

MT

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

THANK YOU!!! This is exactly what I needed. For some reason the sysex dumps of 100/21/etc don't load this patch into FM8. Having it converted to DX7 format first did the trick.

I'll be getting my TX81z in about a week so I'll try the banks I have in that (I always take hardware out for shows anyway so it'll be good to have that too).


Thanks for the other replies as well. I suppose I should have been more specific; I'm quite familiar with analog synths and sample and hold but I was looking for this exact 4op patch (no filter, rusty lofi sound, etc). All the other S/H stuff I use from the SH101 to the modulars are great but they are not *this* sound.


For anyone curious the track "The Burrow" on my 1994 album is just this patch with a few minor tweaks played live on the DX27. https://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/album/exile-1994 https://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/album/exile-1994


The DX27 was the first synth I ever bought around 1992. I've probably had over 100 synths and drum machines (not kidding) since. I eventually sold it for a DX100 , then I sold that a few years ago when I started to use the DX200 more. Still , nothing like the actual crappy (and by that I mean great) old 4op yammies. Glad to find this group and super thanks for all the help!!