Discussion:
DX7 vs DX7s
taygonavarro
2007-05-29 14:06:25 UTC
Permalink
Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is
the DX7 Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1
and the dx7s, and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago
Nicole Massey
2007-05-29 14:16:53 UTC
Permalink
Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,
better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not
that ugly shade of brown.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of taygonavarro
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7
Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,
and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago
Chuck Schertle
2007-05-29 14:26:20 UTC
Permalink
I agree on the 7S. I have had one since they came out and it works great.. even as a controller to my A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice as a retro piece. My 7S has been in service since 88... so far so good.

----- Original Message ----
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s













Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,

better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not

that ugly shade of brown.



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Of taygonavarro

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM

To: ***@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



Hi there,



I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7

Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,

and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...



Thanks for your help,

Tiago














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NovemberPapa
2007-05-29 14:39:12 UTC
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Chuck,



I also use my 7S to control my other hardware, including an A-Station. I
have it responds well for controlling it, although I do also like to use my
Roland AX-1 with the A-Station, coz it lets me pose like a guitarist, and,
more importantly, the ribbon controller is just the biz for soloing.



Nigel



_____

From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 15:26
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



I agree on the 7S. I have had one since they came out and it works great..
even as a controller to my A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice
as a retro piece. My 7S has been in service since 88... so far so good.

----- Original Message ----
From: Nicole Massey <***@gypsyheir.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,
better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not
that ugly shade of brown.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroup <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
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Of taygonavarro
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM
To: ***@yahoogroup <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7
Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,
and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago





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NovemberPapa
2007-05-29 14:36:40 UTC
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You definitely want the S instead of the Mk1.



The S is half of a MkII, in that the MkII is bi-timbral, where the S is
mono-timbral the same as the MkI.



Buy the S has all the main attributes of the MkII, better quality sound
(through better Digital to Analog convertors), and much better midi
implementation. The selection keys are a much better design too, and, in my
opinion, the keyboard plays better as well.



I've had an S from new (late 80's), it's never given me a moment's problem,
and it remains my favourite playing keyboard in terms of its responsiveness.
It is still the keyboard I use unless I need to use my full 88 note
keyboard.



Nigel



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From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of taygonavarro
Sent: 29 May 2007 15:06
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is
the DX7 Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1
and the dx7s, and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago
Chuck Schertle
2007-05-29 15:08:05 UTC
Permalink
Sounds Great Nigel.

If i could just add a ribbon to the DX without breaking the bank, that is what I would do. I tried a Kurzweil 2600 and fell in love with the ribbon.

Besides the A-Station, I also have an old Roland U-110 that I use to thicken up some of the DX patches with, although live on stage I got out of having that in the mix.. too many things to try and control at one time.

Chuck

----- Original Message ----
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:39:12 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
























Chuck,





I also use my 7S to control my other
hardware, including an A-Station. I have it responds well for controlling it,
although I do also like to use my Roland AX-1 with the A-Station, coz it lets
me pose like a guitarist, and, more importantly, the ribbon controller is just the
biz for soloing.





Nigel














From:
***@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:YamahaDX@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chuck Schertle

Sent: 29 May 2007 15:26

To: ***@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs
DX7s


















I agree on the 7S. I have
had one since they came out and it works great.. even as a controller to my
A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice as a retro piece. My 7S has
been in service since 88... so far so good.




----- Original Message
----

From: Nicole Massey <***@gypsyheir. com>

To: ***@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM

Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s




Get the S. It has far superior MIDI
implementation, more control options,

better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not

that ugly shade of brown.



-----Original Message-----

From: ***@yahoogroup
s.com [mailto:***@yahoogroup
s.com] On Behalf

Of taygonavarro

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM

To: ***@yahoogroup
s.com

Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



Hi there,



I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7

Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,

and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...



Thanks for your help,

Tiago



























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2007-05-29 15:14:01 UTC
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Dig up a Kurzweil ExpressionMate and you'll have the ribbon there, as it
adds one to your controller options, along with a lot of other stuff.

And I miss both my K2600 and my KX5, which both had ribbons. You can do some
really great bluesy guitar things with a good ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:08 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Sounds Great Nigel.

If i could just add a ribbon to the DX without breaking the bank, that is
what I would do. I tried a Kurzweil 2600 and fell in love with the ribbon.

Besides the A-Station, I also have an old Roland U-110 that I use to thicken
up some of the DX patches with, although live on stage I got out of having
that in the mix.. too many things to try and control at one time.

Chuck


----- Original Message ----
From: NovemberPapa <***@ukonline.co.uk>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:39:12 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



Chuck,



I also use my 7S to control my other hardware, including an A-Station. I
have it responds well for controlling it, although I do also like to use my
Roland AX-1 with the A-Station, coz it lets me pose like a guitarist, and,
more importantly, the ribbon controller is just the biz for soloing.



Nigel



________________________________

From: ***@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:YamahaDX@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 15:26
To: ***@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



I agree on the 7S. I have had one since they came out and it works great..
even as a controller to my A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice
as a retro piece. My 7S has been in service since 88... so far so good.

----- Original Message ----
From: Nicole Massey <***@gypsyheir. com>
To: ***@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,
better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not
that ugly shade of brown.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:***@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of taygonavarro
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM
To: ***@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7
Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,
and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago





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NovemberPapa
2007-05-29 18:38:36 UTC
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Chuck,



I'm just about to face the prospect of live playing again after a long
break, due to other work commitments.



I'm fairly well blessed with synth hardware that I've acquired over the
years, but having looked at the logistics of what equipment I'll need to get
me the sounds I need live, I've decided that, in addition to the DX itself,
I'll take out my A-Station and my E-MU Proteus 2000 (which is loaded with
the Hammond B3, Xtreme Lead and MoPhatt ROMs in addition to the general
purpose Composer ROM. I'll also take out my Lexicon MPX-550 specifically to
use on the DX, as the A-Station and E-MU modules have their own built in fx
that are perfectly usable.



To make things as simple as possible, I'm going to use the E-MU with the DX,
and the A-Station with my Roland AX-1. Joy!



Nigel





_____

From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 16:08
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



Sounds Great Nigel.

If i could just add a ribbon to the DX without breaking the bank, that is
what I would do. I tried a Kurzweil 2600 and fell in love with the ribbon.

Besides the A-Station, I also have an old Roland U-110 that I use to thicken
up some of the DX patches with, although live on stage I got out of having
that in the mix.. too many things to try and control at one time.

Chuck

----- Original Message ----
From: NovemberPapa <***@ukonline.co.uk>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:39:12 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Chuck,



I also use my 7S to control my other hardware, including an A-Station. I
have it responds well for controlling it, although I do also like to use my
Roland AX-1 with the A-Station, coz it lets me pose like a guitarist, and,
more importantly, the ribbon controller is just the biz for soloing.



Nigel



_____

From: ***@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:YamahaDX@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 15:26
To: ***@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s



I agree on the 7S. I have had one since they came out and it works great..
even as a controller to my A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice
as a retro piece. My 7S has been in service since 88... so far so good.

----- Original Message ----
From: Nicole Massey <***@gypsyheir. com>
To: ***@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,
better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not
that ugly shade of brown.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroup <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
[mailto:***@yahoogroup <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On
Behalf
Of taygonavarro
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM
To: ***@yahoogroup <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s

Hi there,

I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7
Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,
and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...

Thanks for your help,
Tiago





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taygonavarro
2007-06-01 22:22:24 UTC
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Thanks for all of your points of view on this issue...

Tiago
Post by NovemberPapa
Chuck,
I'm just about to face the prospect of live playing again after a long
break, due to other work commitments.
I'm fairly well blessed with synth hardware that I've acquired over the
years, but having looked at the logistics of what equipment I'll need to get
me the sounds I need live, I've decided that, in addition to the DX itself,
I'll take out my A-Station and my E-MU Proteus 2000 (which is
loaded with
Post by NovemberPapa
the Hammond B3, Xtreme Lead and MoPhatt ROMs in addition to the general
purpose Composer ROM. I'll also take out my Lexicon MPX-550
specifically to
Post by NovemberPapa
use on the DX, as the A-Station and E-MU modules have their own built in fx
that are perfectly usable.
To make things as simple as possible, I'm going to use the E-MU with the DX,
and the A-Station with my Roland AX-1. Joy!
Nigel
_____
Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 16:08
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
Sounds Great Nigel.
If i could just add a ribbon to the DX without breaking the bank, that is
what I would do. I tried a Kurzweil 2600 and fell in love with the ribbon.
Besides the A-Station, I also have an old Roland U-110 that I use to thicken
up some of the DX patches with, although live on stage I got out of having
that in the mix.. too many things to try and control at one time.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:39:12 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
Chuck,
I also use my 7S to control my other hardware, including an A-
Station. I
Post by NovemberPapa
have it responds well for controlling it, although I do also like to use my
Roland AX-1 with the A-Station, coz it lets me pose like a
guitarist, and,
Post by NovemberPapa
more importantly, the ribbon controller is just the biz for soloing.
Nigel
_____
Behalf Of Chuck Schertle
Sent: 29 May 2007 15:26
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
I agree on the 7S. I have had one since they came out and it works great..
even as a controller to my A-Station. I have played the Mk. 1 and it is nice
as a retro piece. My 7S has been in service since 88... so far so good.
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16:53 AM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control options,
better construction, and more stable sound and D/A converters. Plus it's not
that ugly shade of brown.
-----Original Message-----
s.com] On
Post by NovemberPapa
Behalf
Of taygonavarro
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s
Hi there,
I have a good deal on a Yamaha DX7s but what i really want to buy is the DX7
Mk1. Can you please tell me the difference between the dx7 mk1 and the dx7s,
and if it's good buying the dx7s instead of the dx7 mk1...
Thanks for your help,
Tiago
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Bob Weeks
2007-05-29 18:59:12 UTC
Permalink
To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some idiot
advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old fight over which
is better?
Post by Nicole Massey
Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation,
more control options, better construction, and more stable sound
and D/A converters.
But what about a DX7II
The DX7II as Split sounds, Micro tuning, Dual voice, better control, even
better D/A converts optional Floppy disk storage (even if it's only 720Kb)
better display, Ability to save performances. Oh I could go on...

But In My Humble Opinion the original DX7 is much better. The keyboard it's
self is much superior to the others. There is more feel and feedback the
DX7II feels very plastic and just doesn't cut the mustard. Having had a DX7
and a DX7II apart and stripping the keyboard down I can't really see what is
different but the original keyboard feels so much better. In fact it's
nearly as good as my Hammond and to be honest I use the DX7 as a second
keyboard to my Hammond XK3 when it's not used in it's own right as a dam
fine sound.

I have an E! card fitted to the DX7 and this takes the memory up to 10 * 32
Midi has been properly implemented and there are 2 midi output channels
(main and aux) oh and you can split the keyboard Midi - DX.

Even with out a E! card, the DX7 special Edition ROM makes it fly and couple
it to a TX7 and you have a 2 outputs wonderful.

With a DX7 (with or without E!) and TX7 I think this is a much better than a
DX7s and DX7II

I have never had a problem with the Original which I bought of Ebay it even
has the Original battery and still reads 2.9v. The DX7II says I should
replace it. Hmmmmm


So it's best fighting trousers on

Bob


BTW: I like the original brown colour..
Nicole Massey
2007-05-29 19:20:34 UTC
Permalink
The IIFD is the best of the machines, thanks to the two response channels
and floppy drive, but it wasn't in the fight. And for a real good option,
get one with the E! board. (And I still have mine here for sale, things got
complex so I didn't manage to sell the board. Highest offer over $149 gets
it) But with the two sliders, two footpedals, two foot switches, breath
controller, and switches for mono/poly and pan, the S is a far superior
control surface. The original DX didn't even respond to all MIDI channels,
IIRC. (Or was that send?) There's just no competition. Did the original DX
even have aftertouch?

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:59 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)

To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some idiot
advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old fight over which
is better?
Post by Nicole Massey
Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation, more control
options, better construction, and more stable sound and D/A
converters.
But what about a DX7II
The DX7II as Split sounds, Micro tuning, Dual voice, better control, even
better D/A converts optional Floppy disk storage (even if it's only 720Kb)
better display, Ability to save performances. Oh I could go on...

But In My Humble Opinion the original DX7 is much better. The keyboard it's
self is much superior to the others. There is more feel and feedback the
DX7II feels very plastic and just doesn't cut the mustard. Having had a DX7
and a DX7II apart and stripping the keyboard down I can't really see what is
different but the original keyboard feels so much better. In fact it's
nearly as good as my Hammond and to be honest I use the DX7 as a second
keyboard to my Hammond XK3 when it's not used in it's own right as a dam
fine sound.

I have an E! card fitted to the DX7 and this takes the memory up to 10 * 32
Midi has been properly implemented and there are 2 midi output channels
(main and aux) oh and you can split the keyboard Midi - DX.

Even with out a E! card, the DX7 special Edition ROM makes it fly and couple
it to a TX7 and you have a 2 outputs wonderful.

With a DX7 (with or without E!) and TX7 I think this is a much better than a
DX7s and DX7II

I have never had a problem with the Original which I bought of Ebay it even
has the Original battery and still reads 2.9v. The DX7II says I should
replace it. Hmmmmm

So it's best fighting trousers on

Bob

BTW: I like the original brown colour..
Earl Williams
2007-05-29 21:35:15 UTC
Permalink
I really like this discussion!!

What I'm interested in is a live setup. What do some of you guys use
for onstage? I've been thinking about using more software instruments
either with a PC or Mac. I prefer the Mac. What's the census? - two
keys or three or four stacked etc. I have not played live since the
80s. I used to have a Hammond/leslie, slab piano and ARP Odyseyy. This
digital stuff seems like overkill - there's so much. Anyway, I'm
interested in what you guys use - if you play live.

Earl
Post by Bob Weeks
To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some idiot
advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old fight over which
is better?
Nicole Massey
2007-05-29 22:16:12 UTC
Permalink
My live rig is a Proteus 1, EPS 16+ Turbo, Novation A-Station, TX-802, and
Oberheim OB3 controlled by a laptop sequencer and a Roland A-30. My
controller of choice is a DX7IIFD, but mine got swiped, so I'm making due.
The rack also has an ART Proverb and A Kahler Human Clock in it for added
control of things.

My studio rig is a completely different matter, and would take forever to
describe.

I prefer the one board solution for live work, as it takes far less time to
set up, involves less MIDI routing that can be pre-wired, and with a good
splittable keyboard you have all the control you'll need.

-----Original Message-----
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Of Earl Williams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:35 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)

I really like this discussion!!

What I'm interested in is a live setup. What do some of you guys use for
onstage? I've been thinking about using more software instruments either
with a PC or Mac. I prefer the Mac. What's the census? - two keys or three
or four stacked etc. I have not played live since the 80s. I used to have a
Hammond/leslie, slab piano and ARP Odyseyy. This digital stuff seems like
overkill - there's so much. Anyway, I'm interested in what you guys use - if
you play live.

Earl
Post by Bob Weeks
To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some
idiot advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old
fight over which is better?
NovemberPapa
2007-05-30 02:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Earl,



I'm just gearing up to go live again, playing local gigs, after a long lay
off.



Although I have a lot of gear, I'm leaving as much as I can at home, and
going as minimalist as I can get away with:



Yamaha DX7S, linked via MIDI to E-MU Proteus 2000, with Composer, B3,
MoPhatt and Xtreme Lead V2 ROMS inside it

Roland AX-1, linked to Novation A-Station

Lexicon MPX-550 to add some deliciousness to the DX7S - the E-MU and
Novation have their own in-built FX.

I may also end up taking out my Kenton Control Freak to help control the
E-MU.

Soundcraft Spirit mixer

Carlsbro Slammer (Single 15" Sub-Woofer with in-built 300w Amp for
sub-woofer, in-built 2x 150w amps for satellite speakers, and with active
crossovers for full range stereo signal coming in, to split <150hz to
sub-woofer, and >150hz to satellite amp speaker outputs)

2x Vintage (late 80s!) Carlsbro 2x10"+2xHorns speaker cabs to act as
satellites for >150hz outputs.

Yamaha Self-powered monitor wedge.

Rackmount 6-way Mains Distribution Unit with filtering, individual fusing
for each piece of equipment etc. All equipment will be powered through
this.

+ Cases, stands, leads etc. No guitar strings needed (I'm leaving my left
handed late 80s Gibson SG at home, and letting someone else play all the
guitar stuff !)

It will all fit comfortably in the back of my Mondeo Estate.



The thought of a mac running vsti has some appeal, but I'm not going that
route. It's not so much about reliability these days, it's just that
hardware can be more easily protected and can stand up better to any
inadvertent knocks.



I did go out backing a female vocalist in the late 90s using a PC laptop and
Cubase (V5 I think, but it could have been V3.7). I only used the midi side
of it live though, the laptop then was definitely not up to dealing with
audio. I never had a single glitch with it, worked perfectly. And the
beauty of that was that I would choose on the night, on loading the song,
which midi part(s) to mute so I could play them myself, letting Cubase play
the rest of the backing. I might play EP one night, bass the next, brass
stabs the next etc, depending on what mood I was in. It was fun until other
work commitments got in the way.



But this time, with a full band line up, I'm definitely going to leave my
computers at home, and just enjoy playing live again.



While digital ROMplers never quite capture the original hardware, its pretty
good nowadays. The Proteus 2000, especially with the extra ROMs I've added
in, gives me a more than passable representation of any sound I am likely to
need, including DX and analogy type sounds. I'm really only taking the
A-Station out as an indulgence - its compact enough not to matter, and I
think it's worth having several different sound sources, both from the point
of view of having something as a backup if one goes pop on the night, and
because the D/A converters always place some common character on all sounds
coming out of a digital synth, so having several sources with different D/A
converters just increases the pallet of sounds available a little more. The
E-MU DX sampled sounds are very good, but definitely sound different from
the DX when compared directly. And some of the lead synth sounds are very
good too, but sound quite different to the A-Station.



One of the neat tricks of the Proteus 2000 is the way you can link patches
together, and choose how they are brought into use. So as well as it being
a 32 part multi-timbral 128 note ployphonic unit (which I won't need live!)
it can be configured so you have, for example, several linked patches that
are split across the keyboard, or come in at different velocities etc. And
because of it's flexible approach to control, where you patch modulation
sources to modulation destinations, I'm looking at how I can use mod wheels
and expression pedals in some songs to adjust on the fly the balance of
linked sounds, or even bring different patches in and out of the mix. It's
possible according to what the manual says you can do, but I'll be trying it
out later this week. I'm hoping for some songs to organise say three sounds
in a linked patch, with the choice of sound played made simply be changing
position of the DX7's mod wheel, or an expression pedal if I need the mod
wheel during the song - one sound when in the off position, another when
fully up, and another for anything in between. If it works as it should,
it'll be a lovely way to flip in and out of sounds during a song. On other
songs I may use a similar approach but to blend sounds instead of changing.
Using these approaches has the advantage of no delays or glitches, as no
program changes will occur, I'll just be using real time controllers to
affect which patches are heard.



Anyway, enough of that for now,



Nigel



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From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Earl Williams
Sent: 29 May 2007 22:35
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)



I really like this discussion!!

What I'm interested in is a live setup. What do some of you guys use
for onstage? I've been thinking about using more software instruments
either with a PC or Mac. I prefer the Mac. What's the census? - two
keys or three or four stacked etc. I have not played live since the
80s. I used to have a Hammond/leslie, slab piano and ARP Odyseyy. This
digital stuff seems like overkill - there's so much. Anyway, I'm
interested in what you guys use - if you play live.

Earl
Post by Bob Weeks
To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some idiot
advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old fight over which
is better?
j***@mac.com
2007-05-30 02:33:50 UTC
Permalink
Nigel,

_This_ is minimal? :-)

Regards,

John, who had a couple of shows in Japan a couple of years ago, and
took along his 12" PowerBook, MOTU Traveler, and a USB controller
keyboard (I played Reason for those gigs) -- now _that_ is minimal :-)

Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
http://www.fallingyou.com

P.S. Normally though, when I do play live (not often), I like to take
at least one piece of hardware -- either my XP80, or my Motif ES6, or
my DX7IIFD E!
Post by NovemberPapa
Yamaha DX7S, linked via MIDI to E-MU Proteus 2000, with Composer,
B3, MoPhatt and Xtreme Lead V2 ROMS inside it
Roland AX-1, linked to Novation A-Station
Lexicon MPX-550 to add some deliciousness to the DX7S – the E-MU
and Novation have their own in-built FX.
I may also end up taking out my Kenton Control Freak to help
control the E-MU.
Soundcraft Spirit mixer
Carlsbro Slammer (Single 15” Sub-Woofer with in-built 300w Amp for
sub-woofer, in-built 2x 150w amps for satellite speakers, and with
active crossovers for full range stereo signal coming in, to split
<150hz to sub-woofer, and >150hz to satellite amp speaker outputs)
2x Vintage (late 80s!) Carlsbro 2x10”+2xHorns speaker cabs to act
as satellites for >150hz outputs.
Yamaha Self-powered monitor wedge.
Rackmount 6-way Mains Distribution Unit with filtering, individual
fusing for each piece of equipment etc. All equipment will be
powered through this.
+ Cases, stands, leads etc. No guitar strings needed (I’m leaving
my left handed late 80s Gibson SG at home, and letting someone else
play all the guitar stuff !)
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NovemberPapa
2007-05-30 08:45:40 UTC
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One man's minimal ..... ;-)

You guys think I should re-evaluate ????????

I thought it was minimal, compared to how I used to go out!

Then it was:

16U rack fully loaded (in no particular order) with:
Roland MKS-50
Roland MKS-80
Roland SDE-2000
Yamaha TX802
Korg M1R
Alesis D4
Alesis MEQ-230
Alesis Midiverb 3
Alesis Quadraverb
MTR-DNG-1
Sessionmaster Direct Recording Preamp (for Guitar)
MTR Patchbay
Mains Distribution Unit

Still have all of this in my studio racks, apart from Roland MKS-80, sold
for a great sum of money!

Yamaha DX7s
Roland D-50
OSCar
Siel DK600.
I still have the DX7S, have the D50 on permanent loan to a friend, and still
have the Siel although it is non-functioning due to the battery leak problem
that has by now affected pretty well all examples - we all found out too
late about it - no easy internet back then to communicate warnings to
others, so everyone found out there was a problem when it happened to them!)
I sold the OSCar to a friend, who later moved away and I didn't see so much.
It was sold to him when I needed some money and on the basis of me getting
first refusal if he chose to sell it in the future, but when I later asked
he'd sold it without contacting me - I'm still angry about that, 10 years
on.
Korg Remote Strap on keyboard (can't remember what the model number of that
was) - I sold it to Pete Waterman for use as a prop for bands mining on his
'The Hit Man And Her' show that used to air in UK on Friday nights late 80s
and never replaced it until I couldn't resist a Roland AX-1 I picked up on
eBay. It's still virgin, never been gigged, but will be soon!

H+H M900 power amp for bass end
2x 2x15" JBL Cabs loaded with Electrovoice EVM15 speakers (bought those cabs
empty from Strawberry Studios - they had been used as bass end keyboard
on-stage monitors by 10cc and were still fully flight cased)
H+H Crossover - can't remember model but sold it together with the H+H Amp
and the JBL 2x15" cabs
Yamaha P2150 Power Amp - still sounds great and powers my studio monitors at
home)
2x Carlsbro 2x10"+2 Horns cabs that I'm going to press into use once more -
they still sound good.
Seck 18-8-2 mixer
2x self-powered monitor wedges

And a van to transport it in!

So I am drastically downsizing ;-)

Who knows, maybe I'll go for the notebook plus USB controller eventually,
when my back can't hold up anymore - actually seeing as I haven't gigged for
a long time, I don't know whether it'll hold up now!

The only thing I'm sceptical about is...........

Are you really saying that those mac book speakers can get your sound heard
over the guitarist's Fender Twin Reverb ;-)

I didn't realise they were so powerful........ with that wonderfully rich
bottom end ;-)

Or are you lucky enough to be able to leave sound reinforcement, room eq etc
to some minion who manages all that for you? ;-)

I'd love to know,

Nigel

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ***@mac.com
Sent: 30 May 2007 03:34
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)


Nigel,

_This_ is minimal? :-)

Regards,

John, who had a couple of shows in Japan a couple of years ago, and
took along his 12" PowerBook, MOTU Traveler, and a USB controller
keyboard (I played Reason for those gigs) -- now _that_ is minimal :-)

Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
http://www.fallingyou.com

P.S. Normally though, when I do play live (not often), I like to take
at least one piece of hardware -- either my XP80, or my Motif ES6, or
my DX7IIFD E!
Post by NovemberPapa
Yamaha DX7S, linked via MIDI to E-MU Proteus 2000, with Composer,
B3, MoPhatt and Xtreme Lead V2 ROMS inside it
Roland AX-1, linked to Novation A-Station
Lexicon MPX-550 to add some deliciousness to the DX7S - the E-MU
and Novation have their own in-built FX.
I may also end up taking out my Kenton Control Freak to help
control the E-MU.
Soundcraft Spirit mixer
Carlsbro Slammer (Single 15" Sub-Woofer with in-built 300w Amp for
sub-woofer, in-built 2x 150w amps for satellite speakers, and with
active crossovers for full range stereo signal coming in, to split
<150hz to sub-woofer, and >150hz to satellite amp speaker outputs)
2x Vintage (late 80s!) Carlsbro 2x10"+2xHorns speaker cabs to act
as satellites for >150hz outputs.
Yamaha Self-powered monitor wedge.
Rackmount 6-way Mains Distribution Unit with filtering, individual
fusing for each piece of equipment etc. All equipment will be
powered through this.
+ Cases, stands, leads etc. No guitar strings needed (I'm leaving
my left handed late 80s Gibson SG at home, and letting someone else
play all the guitar stuff !)
Yahoo! Groups Links
NovemberPapa
2007-05-30 01:27:48 UTC
Permalink
Bob,



I agree it's nice to have something on topic ish to discuss/argue about.



I don't think a MkIIFD was ever in the equation - it was about which was
better of a choice of 2 - MkI or 7S.



But good to have opened up some debate about the various versions.



I never owned a MkI, but played one regularly until I got my 7S late 80's.
I immediately prefered the 7S keyboard feel myself. And as for the sound,
well I do own a TX7 (actually it's on permanent loan to a close friend, as I
have no need for it), and there is no comparison - there's just so much
noise coming out of the TX7 output compared to the 7S.



I also have a TX802, which is a nice bit of kit, but for the ultimate in DX7
sound quality, I'd have to vote for the PLG150-DX plugin module, one of a
series of Yamaha cards that can be plugged into some of their synths.



I use it in a Kenton Plugstation, which can accommodate 4 plugin cards (I
have the DX, AN, PF and VL cards installed). The plugstation has an 8
channel 24bit ADAT out, so each card gets its own stereo output the way I
have it configured. It goes into an ADAT input on my 02R mixer, and, I have
to say, the sound is just wonderful, way better than my DX7S, which is only
mono as well of course.



The card's one drawback is that it is essentially a preset machine, but it
does have 912 presets! There are plenty of parameters editable via midi
though, so you can adjust presets and save those settings within a sequence
so they easily can be recalled. And to be honest, unless you really have
some way out patches, there's plenty of preset examples of every genre the
DX is renowned for.



On with the fight!



Nigel



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From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Weeks
Sent: 29 May 2007 19:59
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)



To add some Spice to this thread since all we get these days are some idiot
advertising junk I don't want or need. How about a good old fight over which
is better?
Post by Nicole Massey
Get the S. It has far superior MIDI implementation,
more control options, better construction, and more stable sound
and D/A converters.
But what about a DX7II
The DX7II as Split sounds, Micro tuning, Dual voice, better control, even
better D/A converts optional Floppy disk storage (even if it's only 720Kb)
better display, Ability to save performances. Oh I could go on...

But In My Humble Opinion the original DX7 is much better. The keyboard it's
self is much superior to the others. There is more feel and feedback the
DX7II feels very plastic and just doesn't cut the mustard. Having had a DX7
and a DX7II apart and stripping the keyboard down I can't really see what is
different but the original keyboard feels so much better. In fact it's
nearly as good as my Hammond and to be honest I use the DX7 as a second
keyboard to my Hammond XK3 when it's not used in it's own right as a dam
fine sound.

I have an E! card fitted to the DX7 and this takes the memory up to 10 * 32
Midi has been properly implemented and there are 2 midi output channels
(main and aux) oh and you can split the keyboard Midi - DX.

Even with out a E! card, the DX7 special Edition ROM makes it fly and couple
it to a TX7 and you have a 2 outputs wonderful.

With a DX7 (with or without E!) and TX7 I think this is a much better than a
DX7s and DX7II

I have never had a problem with the Original which I bought of Ebay it even
has the Original battery and still reads 2.9v. The DX7II says I should
replace it. Hmmmmm

So it's best fighting trousers on

Bob

BTW: I like the original brown colour..
Bob Weeks
2007-05-30 16:57:07 UTC
Permalink
I know it wasn't in the Original comparison but I thought I would add it as
is makes an interesting topic.

After I wrote the first MkII I put the Mk1 and IIfd next to each other and
the original keyboard does feel much better the latter being more springy
and less feel. Yes I love the extra options but a DX7/TX7 is, I believe,
just as good.

When I go playing I take:
Hammond XK3 + 860 Leslie
DX7(E!) -> TX802 -> TX7
Oberheim Mc2000(Ex) Midi contoler ->
Proteus 2000 + B3Rom (Not a patch on the XK3)
Novation Supernova II (R)
Alesis Andromeda A6

I do have another few keyboards in my studio but the sound of the 4 DX
engines are fantastic I have 2 strings (L and R) Rhodes C and then I put a
base sound over the High strings on the Right chan.
When we are pressed for space (like last week) I leave the DX7 at home and
use a 3 tier stand instead of 2 * 2 tier and lose the flute.


I think the only thing missing from a DX7 is a filter which I believe the
SY77 has (Someone will correct me I expect) I tried a Moog Fooger but
although the sound does filter and you can get the resonance to cut in and
give a lovely moog sound I had problems controlling the Envelope generator
from the DX so that doesn't get used much now. I did use a Morley flanger on
the DX7 and that does make a nice change

So

To cut back to the main topic
I have decided to sell my DX7IIfd and keep the DX7Mk1. When I played the "s"
and "IIfd". I got the impression that they had cut quality with the keyboard
to keep the costs down. Just my 2c

There was a 8 board DX7 box anyone have one of these for sale? Like to try
one.

Regards Bob


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From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of NovemberPapa
Sent: 30 May 2007 02:28
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)



Bob,

I agree it's nice to have something on topic ish to discuss/argue about.

I don't think a MkIIFD was ever in the equation - it was about which was
better of a choice of 2 - MkI or 7S.

But good to have opened up some debate about the various versions.

I never owned a MkI, but played one regularly until I got my 7S late 80's.
I immediately prefered the 7S keyboard feel myself. And as for the sound,
well I do own a TX7 (actually it's on permanent loan to a close friend, as I
have no need for it), and there is no comparison - there's just so much
noise coming out of the TX7 output compared to the 7S.

I also have a TX802, which is a nice bit of kit, but for the ultimate in DX7
sound quality, I'd have to vote for the PLG150-DX plugin module, one of a
series of Yamaha cards that can be plugged into some of their synths.

I use it in a Kenton Plugstation, which can accommodate 4 plugin cards (I
have the DX, AN, PF and VL cards installed). The plugstation has an 8
channel 24bit ADAT out, so each card gets its own stereo output the way I
have it configured. It goes into an ADAT input on my 02R mixer, and, I have
to say, the sound is just wonderful, way better than my DX7S, which is only
mono as well of course.

The card's one drawback is that it is essentially a preset machine, but it
does have 912 presets! There are plenty of parameters editable via midi
though, so you can adjust presets and save those settings within a sequence
so they easily can be recalled. And to be honest, unless you really have
some way out patches, there's plenty of preset examples of every genre the
DX is renowned for.

On with the fight!

Nigel
Nicole Massey
2007-05-30 17:04:13 UTC
Permalink
You're thinking of the TX812. These had 8 DX7 style boards in them, and
though you can't really program them, you can get a lot of six operator FM
out of them pretty easily. There are also other versions of this starting
with just 2 six operator boards in them and you can buy other boards for
them off eBay to fill the machine up over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:57 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)

I know it wasn't in the Original comparison but I thought I would add it as
is makes an interesting topic.

After I wrote the first MkII I put the Mk1 and IIfd next to each other and
the original keyboard does feel much better the latter being more springy
and less feel. Yes I love the extra options but a DX7/TX7 is, I believe,
just as good.

When I go playing I take:
Hammond XK3 + 860 Leslie
DX7(E!) -> TX802 -> TX7
Oberheim Mc2000(Ex) Midi contoler ->
Proteus 2000 + B3Rom (Not a patch on the XK3) Novation Supernova II (R)
Alesis Andromeda A6

I do have another few keyboards in my studio but the sound of the 4 DX
engines are fantastic I have 2 strings (L and R) Rhodes C and then I put a
base sound over the High strings on the Right chan.
When we are pressed for space (like last week) I leave the DX7 at home and
use a 3 tier stand instead of 2 * 2 tier and lose the flute.

I think the only thing missing from a DX7 is a filter which I believe the
SY77 has (Someone will correct me I expect) I tried a Moog Fooger but
although the sound does filter and you can get the resonance to cut in and
give a lovely moog sound I had problems controlling the Envelope generator
from the DX so that doesn't get used much now. I did use a Morley flanger on
the DX7 and that does make a nice change

So

To cut back to the main topic
I have decided to sell my DX7IIfd and keep the DX7Mk1. When I played the "s"
and "IIfd". I got the impression that they had cut quality with the keyboard
to keep the costs down. Just my 2c

There was a 8 board DX7 box anyone have one of these for sale? Like to try
one.

Regards Bob

________________________________

From: ***@yahoogroups.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:***@yahoogroups.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of NovemberPapa
Sent: 30 May 2007 02:28
To: ***@yahoogroups.com <mailto:YamahaDX%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)

Bob,

I agree it's nice to have something on topic ish to discuss/argue about.

I don't think a MkIIFD was ever in the equation - it was about which was
better of a choice of 2 - MkI or 7S.

But good to have opened up some debate about the various versions.

I never owned a MkI, but played one regularly until I got my 7S late 80's.
I immediately prefered the 7S keyboard feel myself. And as for the sound,
well I do own a TX7 (actually it's on permanent loan to a close friend, as I
have no need for it), and there is no comparison - there's just so much
noise coming out of the TX7 output compared to the 7S.

I also have a TX802, which is a nice bit of kit, but for the ultimate in DX7
sound quality, I'd have to vote for the PLG150-DX plugin module, one of a
series of Yamaha cards that can be plugged into some of their synths.

I use it in a Kenton Plugstation, which can accommodate 4 plugin cards (I
have the DX, AN, PF and VL cards installed). The plugstation has an 8
channel 24bit ADAT out, so each card gets its own stereo output the way I
have it configured. It goes into an ADAT input on my 02R mixer, and, I have
to say, the sound is just wonderful, way better than my DX7S, which is only
mono as well of course.

The card's one drawback is that it is essentially a preset machine, but it
does have 912 presets! There are plenty of parameters editable via midi
though, so you can adjust presets and save those settings within a sequence
so they easily can be recalled. And to be honest, unless you really have
some way out patches, there's plenty of preset examples of every genre the
DX is renowned for.

On with the fight!

Nigel
Chuck Schertle
2007-05-30 18:14:35 UTC
Permalink
Another thing I like about the MkII series is the buttons. The raised button is so much nicer than the membrane button on the MkI.

My on the road rig now is:

Yamaha DX-7S >>>> Novation A-Station
Korg X-5 >>> Roland U-110 ( all four slots filled with various expansion cards)

All run into a MOTU 828MkII ( I know.. over kill.. however the rack case fits nicely next to the desk and all I do is plug in the firewire cable and I'm ready to record)

Sampson 250 Power Amp to Carvin 15" Floor Wedges... Mains out to the FOH

I finally got the Change battery warning this past weekend on the DX... First time since I got the board in 88!!!
----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Weeks <***@btinternet.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:57:07 PM
Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)













I know it wasn't in the Original comparison but I thought I would add it as

is makes an interesting topic.



After I wrote the first MkII I put the Mk1 and IIfd next to each other and

the original keyboard does feel much better the latter being more springy

and less feel. Yes I love the extra options but a DX7/TX7 is, I believe,

just as good.



When I go playing I take:

Hammond XK3 + 860 Leslie

DX7(E!) -> TX802 -> TX7

Oberheim Mc2000(Ex) Midi contoler ->

Proteus 2000 + B3Rom (Not a patch on the XK3)

Novation Supernova II (R)

Alesis Andromeda A6



I do have another few keyboards in my studio but the sound of the 4 DX

engines are fantastic I have 2 strings (L and R) Rhodes C and then I put a

base sound over the High strings on the Right chan.

When we are pressed for space (like last week) I leave the DX7 at home and

use a 3 tier stand instead of 2 * 2 tier and lose the flute.



I think the only thing missing from a DX7 is a filter which I believe the

SY77 has (Someone will correct me I expect) I tried a Moog Fooger but

although the sound does filter and you can get the resonance to cut in and

give a lovely moog sound I had problems controlling the Envelope generator

from the DX so that doesn't get used much now. I did use a Morley flanger on

the DX7 and that does make a nice change



So



To cut back to the main topic

I have decided to sell my DX7IIfd and keep the DX7Mk1. When I played the "s"

and "IIfd". I got the impression that they had cut quality with the keyboard

to keep the costs down. Just my 2c



There was a 8 board DX7 box anyone have one of these for sale? Like to try

one.



Regards Bob



____________ _________ _________ __



From: ***@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:***@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf

Of NovemberPapa

Sent: 30 May 2007 02:28

To: ***@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [YamahaDX] DX7 vs DX7s (vs DX7 II)



Bob,



I agree it's nice to have something on topic ish to discuss/argue about.



I don't think a MkIIFD was ever in the equation - it was about which was

better of a choice of 2 - MkI or 7S.



But good to have opened up some debate about the various versions.



I never owned a MkI, but played one regularly until I got my 7S late 80's.

I immediately prefered the 7S keyboard feel myself. And as for the sound,

well I do own a TX7 (actually it's on permanent loan to a close friend, as I

have no need for it), and there is no comparison - there's just so much

noise coming out of the TX7 output compared to the 7S.



I also have a TX802, which is a nice bit of kit, but for the ultimate in DX7

sound quality, I'd have to vote for the PLG150-DX plugin module, one of a

series of Yamaha cards that can be plugged into some of their synths.



I use it in a Kenton Plugstation, which can accommodate 4 plugin cards (I

have the DX, AN, PF and VL cards installed). The plugstation has an 8

channel 24bit ADAT out, so each card gets its own stereo output the way I

have it configured. It goes into an ADAT input on my 02R mixer, and, I have

to say, the sound is just wonderful, way better than my DX7S, which is only

mono as well of course.



The card's one drawback is that it is essentially a preset machine, but it

does have 912 presets! There are plenty of parameters editable via midi

though, so you can adjust presets and save those settings within a sequence

so they easily can be recalled. And to be honest, unless you really have

some way out patches, there's plenty of preset examples of every genre the

DX is renowned for.



On with the fight!



Nigel














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