FM7 Sysex conversion ?

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi, this may be a daft question.... but is there any way to get my sounds from Native Instruments 'FM7' back into 'real' DX7/TX7 format sysex?? I ask because I converted a lot of sounds into FM7 and they are fine in there, but I don't have the original format sysex anymore. :/ I know FM7 has extra parameter but maybe there's a way to remove those I don't know.

Chris.

[Martin Tarenskeen [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Hi, this may be a daft question.... but is there any way to get my sounds from Native Instruments 'FM7' back into 'real' DX7/TX7 format sysex??  I
ask because I converted a lot of sounds into FM7 and they are fine in there, but I don't have the original format sysex anymore.  :/  I know FM7
has extra parameter but maybe there's a way to remove those I don't know.

I never really looked into the FM7/FM8. I don't know the format in
which it stores patchdata. I don't know how the parameters are organized.
So I can't really tell. But my guess is this will be difficult.

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

Martin,

Post by Martin Tarenskeen ***@zonnet.nl [YamahaDX]
I never really looked into the FM7/FM8. I don't know the format in
which it stores patchdata. I don't know how the parameters are organized.
So I can't really tell. But my guess is this will be difficult.

I have FM7/FM8 and have worked with it a bit with both imported DX7 patches and programming new ones for CC#02 (breath control). I can tell you that it has a much more complex engine than the DX7. Therefore, I would expect the format to be much more involved as well.


If you could get your hands on a spec I'm sure that you are up to the task. But, IMHO the only cases where it would make much sense to convert from FM7/FM8 to DX7 was IF (and that is a big if) the FM7/FM8 patch was an imported DX7 patch and was not modified to use the extensions that the more complex FM7/FM8 engine provides.


There are quite a lot of native FM7/FM8 patches that I doubt would ever convert well at all...


Cheers,
Rawl

[Daniel Boles [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

FM7/8 can approximate DX7 only. Conversions are needed and some parameters
are quite inaccurate. Thus even if you could convert back to DX7, by that
point your patches would have been through 2 generation losses. Which might
be more disappointing than remaining without them... The moral: when
converting to a non-equivalent (lossless) format, always keep the originals.

[Martin Tarenskeen [e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

when converting to a non-equivalent (lossless) format, always keep the originals.

So true. I should put that in the README.txt file for DX/TXconvert ... but
now I see the warning is already in there, in CAPITALS:

"ALWAYS KEEP A BACKUP OF YOUR ORIGINAL FILES!"

[[e-mail] [YamahaDX]]

lol, as we all know in this game, hindsight is a wonderful thing.. I'm sure we've all done something similar, probably a few times.. I may be able to manually recreate some of them by copying the settings, mosty likely just easier to keep them in FM7 and layer tham with another similar DX7 sound on top when writing a track...

CP.

Still no V50, hurry up UPS :(